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Forgotten musicians that we should remember
Simon T
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Posted: 13-May-2012 23:59
In relation to the thread about Bobby Campbell - a fiddler who is certainly not forgotten amongst many folks but probably to the younger generation - it would be good to get a list and some info about other fine musicians who are simply not talked about any more. Can anyone help?
Gordon
Posts: 1000
Posted: 14-May-2012 07:16
Charlie Cowie

http://www.allcelticmusic.com/artists/Charlie%20Cowie.html

(Sorry to be advertising another mail order company, but it was the best information link I could find)

Gordon
Posts: 1000
Posted: 14-May-2012 08:27
Not Scottish, but without the work of this man I don't think we would have 'Celtic' music as we have come to see it today - and I really don't think I'm exaggerating.

"Seán Ó Riada (1 August 1931 - 3 October 1971), was a composer and perhaps the single most influential figure in the revival of Irish traditional music during the 1960s. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Se%C3%A1n_%C3%93_Riada

Gordon
Posts: 1000
Posted: 14-May-2012 08:34
Not forgotten, perhaps, but Bobby MacLeod was really great.

http://www.tradmusichall.com/bobbymacleod.html

Simon T
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Posted: 14-May-2012 09:40
Thanks Dagger
Gordon
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Posted: 14-May-2012 10:11
Cheers Simon,

Some more if you want:

This combination was really pretty magical at its best - Norman Stewart and Janice Clark

http://themusicgatherer.blogspot.co.uk/2010/06/iolair-music-and-song-from-scotland.html

And I don't suppose your younger readers realise just how big and ahead of his time this guy was:

The truly legendary Alan Stivell. He could fill places like The Usher Hall no bother. There was a story that at the end of a gig which I think was at The Playhouse, Edinburgh he led the audience onto the street with his bagpipes.

Listen to 'The Ian Morrison Reel' (actually John Morrison Of Assynt House), from his 1973 album Chemins A Terre. 1973 ! ! ! Years ahead of the Peatbog Faeries and bands like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z0lqKOK1Kg

RoddyMac
Posts: 75
Posted: 14-May-2012 13:42
I alighted on this song by Andy Hunter http://www.tobarandualchais.co.uk/en/fullrecord/50855/24 and was surprised that I'd never heard of him before. Bio info here http://www.tobarandualchais.co.uk/en/fullrecord/79759/24.

Denfinitely one to remember for me.

Simon T
Posts: 8530
Posted: 14-May-2012 14:11
That's a lovely song by Andy Hunter
jim51
Posts: 79
Posted: 14-May-2012 20:11
I doubt that Norman Stewart would appreciate being called 'forgotten'. I'm not sure where else he inhabits but he is a regular singer at Newcastleton Festival every year.

As for me, the musician I try to keep well in mind is whistle player Jimmy Greenan from Edinburgh.

EFCinfo
Posts: 2676
Posted: 14-May-2012 20:31
Very few if any of these musicians have actually been "forgotten" even although their names may not be familiar to the younger generation. Those of us who were around at the time will still remember most of them even although we may not continually "talk about" them.

So, perhaps the question should be "Which musicians(and singers) were important to us in the past and we ought to be telling the youngsters about?" or something similar.

Both Norman and Janice are still fairly active but I think Gordon was specifically referring to the duo combination.

Ian Sinclair of Mirk is still very much us too but both he and the band are very worthy of a mention here.

Simon T
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Posted: 14-May-2012 22:24
I think that's exactly right EFCInfo. For me Mirk is famous for introducing Jim Sutherland to the folk scene.
Gordon
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Posted: 14-May-2012 22:40
You're quite right of course in saying that Norman and others aren't 'forgotten' as such - far from it- but I interpreted Simon's request as wanting some names that some of us older folks may know about but who 'the younger generation' haven't so much forgotten as never heard of.

In the case of Stivell, I once played 'The Ian Morrison Reel' to my kids and some of their young musician friends. They were astonished that a band sounded like that so many years ago.

Sean O'Riada is a hugely important figure in Celtic music, and it would be good if people remembered his influence.

Gordon
Posts: 1000
Posted: 14-May-2012 22:58
It's good to remember Jimmy Greenan and his whistle, Jim 51. Well done.

It reminded me of Jimmy Elliot on guitar.

mgill
Posts: 265
Posted: 14-May-2012 23:49
"For me Mirk is famous for introducing Jim Sutherland to the folk scene."

What a patronising statement Simon!
One which (though I've never met you) I would hope you'd regret!

MIRK as they were known, boasted one of the finest Scottish female singing voices in the form of Marge Sinclair (wife of fiddler/guitarist Ian) who along with Ray Crompton played festivals all over Scotland and England to great acclaim without Jim Sutherland who was with them for a relatively short time!
Apart from Margie's distinctive voice, the original and wonderful songs penned by Ian kept them to the fore of the Scottish Folk music scene for many the day!

Can such artistes be so easily forgotten?

Simon T
Posts: 8530
Posted: 14-May-2012 23:53
Definitely not meant to be patronising - just a statement of what I know... Now I know more.
EFCinfo
Posts: 2676
Posted: 15-May-2012 00:14
As Mgill said, Jim was only with MIRK for a short time. While I'm sure his musical contribution to the band was very worthy, it wasn't really what either MIRK or himself were about in the great scheme of things and I'm sure that he would be the first to admit this.

Marge was indeed a great singer and some of Ian's songs are already classics, e.g. "The King's Shilling"(often mistakenly thought of as traditional) and "Tak a dram afore ye go"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFjfx0EqbxE etc.
Both of these are now in Siobhan Miller's repertoire but her dad was also an honorary member of MIRK from time to time. Not a lot of people know that.....
:-)

Ray Crompton was no slouch either and played harmonium, mandola, guitar, mandolin. He also contributed vocals to the band.

portree
Posts: 276
Posted: 15-May-2012 00:31
I totally agree with Mgill that MIRK were one of - if not THE - finest groups on the folk scene to come out of Scotland.

Margie's voice is stunning, and I could sit and listen to her all night long!

Ian's songs and tunes are magnificent, and it is good to hear some - eg The King's Shilling - being sung again.

I recall a story that Margie told that she was judging a TMSA competition when a lady sang this song, despite Margie trying to point out to her that it was not traditional. She was taken aback when Margie told her that her husband had written it just a few years earlier!

EFCinfo
Posts: 2676
Posted: 15-May-2012 00:42
The Queen Mother was also a fan and the band played at her 80th birthday party

"Margie Sinclair from folk band Mirk, who played at the Queen Mother’s 80th birthday party among several performances at Mey, said: ‘The Queen Mother was extremely knowledgeable, well-read and enthusiastic about Scottish music. She was very much a party person and loved music and dancing.
‘She was an excellent hostess. She was warm, with a mischievous sense of humour and made you feel instantly at ease.

‘She always insisted on getting photographs taken and there is one, which I treasure to this day, where she is holding up our album covers. It would have been a fantastic
publicity boost for us, but we kept it private.’"


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1365713/She-ska-music-The-secrets-Queen-Mothers-record-collection-yodelling-Canadian-cowboy-Paul-Simon.html

Not a lot of people know that...... now you know more, Simon.
-)

EFCinfo
Posts: 2676
Posted: 15-May-2012 01:00
"The King's Shilling" featuring Karen Casey and James Taylor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDhfqy4S6hI

Simon T
Posts: 8530
Posted: 15-May-2012 01:10
Well there you go... Keep them coming :-)
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